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Postby rumpusroomie on Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:44 pm

mike nason wrote:wow, if I had said that I'd have been called a pompous ass...hang on, I was called a pompous ass...


But we love you, you pompous ass.
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Postby Li'l Sketchy on Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:21 pm

(Aside for Rumpus - Romita Sr totally won, in my opinion). :P

Now back to our regular scheduled programming...
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Postby rumpusroomie on Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:24 pm

Li'l Sketchy wrote:(Aside for Rumpus - Romita Sr totally won, in my opinion). :P

Now back to our regular scheduled programming...


Yay to the old man! Love both the Romita's styles but the old man is a living legend, and back then it was so shameful he was lying about what he did for a job!

"Me? No i don't do comics, i'm a beastiality pornographer" "Oh that's all right then, i thought you were one of those freaks!"
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Postby Egofreaky on Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:47 pm

rumpusroomie wrote:...we don't consider polite urbane comments because thats all people like Avi and David Bird make and don't think for a minute we don't consider and take on board their comments.


Fuck you, and the horse you rode in on!

(kidding! :D)

Although, this has kicked up more discussion about DoujiCon and it's role to our community than I've managed to muster in the past. So that works for me.

Mike: Well, the whole point of that name was to get the pun going with "Dodgy Con". Honestly, the other things I came up with were Comic Spot, The Australian Cartoonist Convention (which seemed too lengthy and unsupported by cartoonists the regular public knew about like newspaper cartoonists n whatnot), Van Diemans Lair (which makes even less sense than DoujiCon as no one pays attention in history, and really seems more like an RPG name), and perhaps lamestly ComFareM ("Comfirm"... yes, I know it's mispelt) for Comic Fare Melbourne.

Whilst typing this, I also just thought of ComCon which just sounds like some sort of computer swap meet, and CAPCON (for Cartoonists of Australia Present a CONvention... we could totally steal Ryu and MegaMan for the mascots though :D)

That all being said, what's in a name? The marketing of course. You need a name that sounds edgy and tough (apparently). Both "Super Nova" and "Armageddon" are massively catastrophic events, unleashing the primal forces of nature... or something.
Another reason for the name DoujiCon, now that I think about it. I guess I was playing up to the perception that local work is of a poorer standard. It's "Dodgy" and people are "conned" into buying it. Not that that's how I feel (in fact, I think the only person with a larger collection of locally made comics than me is Kevin Patrick), but that does seem to be a perception held by many attendees I've spoken to at these sorts of events.

Ironically, the things that really are a dodgy con, the "fan merchandise" (read: "bootlegs I made at home and don't claim to be legit") always seems to do rather well, because it's what the fans of certain series want.
To whit, did anyone notice the SnoBunnyLuv table at SupaNova? She did insanely well, and with nary an original character on her table.
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Postby BMB on Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:54 pm

"Bonza Bluey's Fair Dinkum Comics Jamboorie"


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........I'll just go back to lurking, sorry.
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Postby rumpusroomie on Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:56 pm

Egofreaky wrote:Fuck you, and the horse you rode in on!


Ha jokes on you! It's a pony! (it was that or go with a "hung like a horse" joke)
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Postby bluetoaster on Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:58 pm

Ask Ivan Brunetti for a name.
He's always got catchy ones, like 'Sex Fist'... (or was that 'Fest'?)
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Postby maggie on Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:32 pm

Holy crap, that was unpleasant. Glad I'm just catching up on it after the coals have cooled.
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Postby Ive on Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:49 pm

"The Avi Bernshaw experience".
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Postby Li'l Sketchy on Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:45 pm

"The continuing SAGA" (Sequential Artist Gathering, Australia). :p
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Postby mike nason on Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:25 pm

That all being said, what's in a name? The marketing of course. You need a name that sounds edgy and tough (apparently).


clearly, that's why Superman is "Super" man and not "Normal" man (which as far as I can remember is also a comic book character, whatever).

still, I don't know if you could say that either Armageddon or Supernova have gained attendance because of their names.

But if we follow that line of thinking then we could use:

"RED-GIANT", "TSUNAMI", "HOLOCAUST", "TERRA-FIRMA", "GENOCIDE", "LOCAL-FLOOD", "MASS-EXTINCTION",

or to make it more relevant, yet more stupid:

"Local-Flood-Expo", "Tsunami-Con", "Volcano-Con", "Magma-Con", "Cyclo-Con", "Cata-Con", "Power-Con", "Explo-Expo", "Terra-Con", "Atmos-Comic-Con", "Enigma-Comic-Expo", "Engross-Expo", "The Georama-Comic-Con", "Blood-thirsty-Geek-Fare", "Mega-Melbourne-Meta-Con", "MeCa-Comic-Con", "Monash-Mega-Con", "Mega-MeCa-Con", "Enthusa-Con", "Earthquake", "Fillip-Con"(look it up), "Ultra-Mega-Supa-con", "Grand-Council-of-Master-Sequentials",
"Catastrophic-Comic-Expo-Caulfield" or my personal favorite; "Tectonic-Plat-Movement-Fare".


of course I understand the marketing behind the names. Its to grab peoples attention without putting them of by using a word that is niche oriented. Combine the word with a pop culture icon and you have the basic formula.

So...."RED-GIANT" combined with an image of MEGA-MAN

"ATOMICon" and an image of.....KILLEROO (probably the best pop-culture-comic-icon in the last 10 years....it works on so many levels).

"REVELATION" and an image of the angel from THE LIST.

or we could just steel Superman...why not? if Armageddon can use him...but then that would be dishonest cause he represents a genre we don't really support as creators/self-publishers so the fan-boy looking for superhero stuff would be rather disappointed.

just some random thoughts. ;)
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Postby Darren Close on Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:00 pm

mike nason wrote:
"ATOMICon" and an image of.....KILLEROO (probably the best pop-culture-comic-icon in the last 10 years....it works on so many levels).

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Postby Paul Bedford on Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:42 pm

I still think Gerkiman's "IndieCon" is the best offering so far. Direct, accurate and (sorry, Avi) easy to pronounce, spell and remember.

How 'bout it...? I don't think it's too late to change.

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Postby Gerkinman on Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:12 pm

Ps: Gerkinman, where's my 1000 ballbags?


If you havent noticed where i put them yet then ill have to question your lifestyle ;D
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Postby Egofreaky on Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:03 pm

Ive wrote:"The Avi Bernshaw experience".
You mean this?

Canaan: SAGA actually really works for me. Can I use it?
If we open it up to larger comic companies or shops, or diversify it into other entertainment media, it opens the doors to exactly all the things that we're saying is wrong, for us as independent cartoonists, with current pop culture conventions.
Does anyone remember the backlash I got when I asked if people would mind if I invited the garage game community for 2007? I do, it wasn't pleasant.

Mike: Considering my heritage, Holocaust totally works for me on a black humour level.

In terms of using Killeroo, I have no problem with that. He's an Australian cartoonist's creation, and both readily identifiable as a cartoon character and an Australian creature by people that have never seen him before.
However, as the DoujiCon brand has been "established", as it were, with a few people already, it requires a branding shift.
On the consideration of the theme, there's still no problem with this branding shift. You simply insert Killeroo as a minion/thug/guard/enforcer with Antonio this year, then drop Antonio next year, along with the DoujiCon name.
If Darren is cool with releasing Killeroo for the purpose of promoting DoujiCon (or whatever new name we can come up with), I'm happy to begin the process of shifting it over.
It then becomes a case of finding an artist who's willing to do the graphic work on this one, for pretty much the exact same as what I'm offering already in the design comp, because there certainly isn't the money in this to be able to pay someone, and I can't draw what's required here.

Paul:Personally, I don't like "indiecon"... It's not actually clear what it's about at all.
I think when people think indie, they're usually thinking music or fashion. This event was meant to be about comics and cartoons by local creators, because I was sick of 3 years of people saying how we didn't have an event for ourselves.
I did something about that and made DoujiCon.
I don't want people thinking we take up on everything indie because then once again, the comics gets squeezed into a corner.
And the band at the end is entertainment, not an integral part of the event.


The irony to this whole situation is that as the manga scene grows (as evidenced by the fact that there's a new group that thinks they've got what it takes to make their own mag like OzTAKU and do a better job of it), they'll want their own thing.
At which point... DoujiCon: Resurrection heheh :D


I'd like to move further discussion of the DoujiCon issue to the DoujiCon section of the forum. Bill's probably pissy I keep getting free promo out his section of the forum hehehe
Either start a new thread, or go and look ath the rebranding thread I already started.
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