Whinge- Australian comics where are you?

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Postby Anomic on Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:12 am

Hello Darren,
I agree it can be as simple as that however ... I would be keen to capture data as stated before in order to build a business case for stores not stocking Aust content. I do not know of every title and can barely remember my phone number at times so a printable list would be of benefit to me if I was reporting on stock numbers otherwise, I would only notice the last one discussed at this forum, thus missing the 20 other titles that should be there...
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Postby Anomic on Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:35 pm

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Its time to jump over the is/ought divide :)
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Postby maggie on Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:47 pm

Anomic: My question was in regards to Avi's suggestion, not the checklist idea. He was suggesting a different model.

Darren: I have to disagree. That puts too much margin for error on the back of the Shopper who has to go and get an 'impression' of what they're to report on from a forum rather than a concise set of data to compare ("oops. Joe Blow said he had stocked his comic at Superbig Comics a few posts back and I forgot to add it to my list."). If it were a big deal to create this 'sheet' (with a database back-end) then maybe, but I can't see going with a more lax, informal system if a more concise one can be had. Why go with the "she'll be right" method when you don't have to?

And I think Anomic's main point is that the list could be easily printed out and carried by the Shopper and would contain the data in a terse form rather than from just their impression of what they read in a forum. If the inventory model is good for other business, why not the indy comic publisher's business?
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Postby maggie on Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:01 pm

OK, debate aside, I have enough considered interest that I'm going to start coding the thing today. Fortunately, I wrote a 'wishlist' system some time back that I can pull and adapt modules from to help speed up the building of this thing.

Here's my basic outline:
Checklist-like front end with database back-end.
Can view entire list or sort by store, creator or book title
Ability to add stores
Ability to add/remove titles

Updates can be made by any forum member (the simplest way to secure it - we can have a separate login system in the future if we move the system or whatever). Each updater can leave a short note for that store. The name of the last updater will be shown in the interest of accountability.

I've thought better of the initial "60 days 'n yer dead" idea in favour of having the list be store-centric instead of book-centric. That makes more sense. So a title stays on the list until it's removed (can be done only by the person who added it) or has been at zero stock in all locations for more than say 45 days.

Sound fair?
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Postby Anomic on Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:27 pm

Your Evil genius status is well deserved and you can count me in as a stock watcher.
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Postby Egofreaky on Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:49 pm

Just thought, there's the problem that some shops don't put all their stock on the shelf at a time, due to capcity. For instance, I'm pretty certain Minotaur purchases more than 3 copies of most Australian titles, but with the exception of Phospherescent stuff, I never see more than 3 copies on the shelf.

Darren: It's possible. My ancedotal evidence comes from about 18 months ago, granted. The guys behind the desk and I got into an argument about certain comics, when I said so many were basically becoming soft-porn for guys that are too socially awkward to get a Penthouse.
The management I don't like cause they said OzTAKU would never sell (verbatim: "Ha! Most of your comics in here don't even have backgrounds!").... Grrr :(
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Postby Gary Lau on Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:14 pm

Maggie,

While I only get to drop by my friendly neighbourhood comic book store around once a month these days, I'll try my best to support this initiative (both as a self-publisher and comic books buyer) you've put your time and effort setting this up.

everyone,

Statistically and from a data collection point of view, I think it will be very interesting to see how this database will be perceived and utiltised once it's "live." I might be wrong in assuming this but I think some might start to get competitive when they start seeing their book figures compared to others. Which can be good or bad.

My reluctance to respond to this thread originally was also the anonymity with regards to the internet. It might be just me, but I find it a bit hard to trust a "nickname" let alone someone I've never met face to face before with what is "my business". And dealing with different retailers requires different tact a lot of times. I also believe it's ultimately the publisher's responsibility to keep stores up to stock. So while I can't imagine someone from this forum actually approaching any of the retailers about their lack of a certain title on this database list (or is this the point?), if I was a retailer I'd be a bit annoyed that it's not the publisher him/herself approaching them about the stock.

I hope I'm making sense. It's not like I don't want Knight-Edge to be always stocked at every comic book retailer around Australia (I still can't get it in WA, NT or Tassie and I never really know which store wants to stock more issues of what). I do want all these and I'd really appreciate it if this community effort actually works and becomes successful. It's just that I have my hesitations.

Comics R Us are on Bourke St. Melbourne. For me, both Mark and Mitch from that store have been very supportive of my work from the get go, so I do not share the same opinion as Avi on them. However, it might be stressed that all dealings regarding stock is only with the Prahran/Windsor Comics R Us, where the owners work. In fact, while I bring up this point, almost ALL the local comic book retailers, you have to speak to a manager of some form or rather if you wanted to deal about stocking/selling Aussie comics at their store, and not just any clerk working at the time (again, this is if all this is intended for some to go into a retailer and actually approach said retailer about the stock numbers).

Sales for local products, to my limited knowledge, are never high enough for a retailer to physically approach creator/publisher to constantly or proactively restock. I'd love to see this happen one day (to anyone of us).
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Postby Anomic on Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:55 am

Hello Gary
I would share these hesitations the last thing needed are stock Nazis annoying owners about titles. The concept is more about (I think) me going into a shop with a list and a pen noting down, as I am browsing, the number of titles listed being displayed, then punching them into Maggies forum site. It would then be up to the self-publisher/distributor to make contact with stores regarding getting more issues onto the shelves, the form should not give authority to anyone to be an arse. If someone in a store asks me what I am doing then a simple explanation is in order. Yes there could be an unfortunate competitive use for the data base but realistically that???s capitalism (for good or bad), I still think hard data will make selling titles or the concept of stocking Australian content a better sell than a cap in hand charity model (again that???s capitalism)

Egofreaky, even if the numbers are low (3) if I took my example of the 17/02/05 and I was able to inform you that your title was down to 1 in a particular store this could have avoided the issues you then had with a disgruntled customer who couldn't find a copy the next week.
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Postby azahru on Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:32 pm

I'm happy to keep an eye on dees and impact in Canberra.
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Postby Darren Close on Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:21 pm

maggie wrote:Darren: I have to disagree. That puts too much margin for error on the back of the Shopper who has to go and get an 'impression' of what they're to report on from a forum rather than a concise set of data to compare ("oops. Joe Blow said he had stocked his comic at Superbig Comics a few posts back and I forgot to add it to my list."). If it were a big deal to create this 'sheet' (with a database back-end) then maybe, but I can't see going with a more lax, informal system if a more concise one can be had. Why go with the "she'll be right" method when you don't have to?

And I think Anomic's main point is that the list could be easily printed out and carried by the Shopper and would contain the data in a terse form rather than from just their impression of what they read in a forum. If the inventory model is good for other business, why not the indy comic publisher's business?


More power to you Maggie, really hope it works for your time and effort's sake. All you need now is pro-active and passionate auscomics folk who care about others' work as much as their own and this'll go like the clappers!

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Postby Anomic on Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:00 pm

Darren, the problem with cynicism as a philosophy is that (as suggested previously in the tread) it operates on an ought basis (usually based in a monotheistic religion). The idealist starts out with the notion that things ought be this way, when that idealism fails, as it has to, as it collides with the world as it is, there is a dissonance - the idealist retreats to cynicism. Cynicism is a self-defeating position as it is both failed idealism and at the same time an unwillingness to grapple with the world as it is. The ability for agency/action is turned inward becoming the equivalent of a dark malignant fart. So what if things fall apart? As well know psychologist asked me last year ???what is the purpose of the Melbourne grand-prix???? I thought it was to win, sell cars, make money, and annoy residents. His answer ??? the purpose was to break the cars, to take the car as far as it could go and find out where things go wrong under pressure, and in doing so make a better car.

If the model proposed goes wrong ??? can we learn from that? (I hope so) The question is: how can we as a collective of interested persons make something that works? Not that this model (or any model) is an all or nothing proposition.
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Postby practicecactus on Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:16 pm

Anomic wrote:Darren, the problem with.....

That's as far as I got.....big words hurt cactus' head..
I'll be playin over here with my toy's..
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Postby mark selan on Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:45 am

Anomic wrote:If the model proposed goes wrong ??? can we learn from that? (I hope so) The question is: how can we as a collective of interested persons make something that works? Not that this model (or any model) is an all or nothing proposition.


This is the smartest thing ever said on an australian comics messageboard.
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Postby practicecactus on Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:47 pm

practicecactus wrote:
Anomic wrote:Darren, the problem with.....

That's as far as I got.....big words hurt cactus' head..
I'll be playin over here with my toy's..

...and this is the dumbest!
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Postby Laocorn on Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:48 am

Amen to that. - Both statements.
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