Distribution of self published comics

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Postby BMB on Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:31 pm

"If you get that email, any chance I can get a copy? laocorn_69@hotmail.com cheers."

I just sent it, for anyone else interested.......its a pdf so I cant stick it here.
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Postby Dean Rankine on Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:54 pm

Could I grab a copy too? Cheers - rankine@alphalink.com.au
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Postby Laocorn on Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:00 pm

Thanks Ben I got it, just doing a quick calc in my head... 25% goes to the store owner, leaving 75%, how much do gordon & Gotch claim of that 75%... Or is that on a per basis count to meet the revenue count of $2000.

So 3,000 books at $5.95 = $17,850

$17,850 - 25% = $13,387.50

minus the $2,000 revenue = $11,387.50 (in an ideal situation, not counting incurred costs)

say the book costs $3.00 to print, 3x3000 = $9,000

in an ideal situation there would be $2,387.50 Profit

- Of cause this is assuming that the $2,000 minimum revenue is just that and doesn't included G&G's incurred costs for transport, sales reps, admin fees, couriers, etc.

- This also doesn't take into account ones that are pulped and destroyed at the cost of the publisher, ie. shipping, storage and cost of pulped materials.

Anyone who is up to talking about this publically please do so... but... yeah.
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Postby jpaulos on Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:27 pm

G&G will take 25% also, leaving you 50%.
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Postby BMB on Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:39 pm

Dean Rankine wrote:Could I grab a copy too? Cheers - rankine@alphalink.com.au


Just sent it.

Regarding the sales figures, I wouldn't care about not making money, I just dont want to have to sell a kidney to make it to 2nd issue! I'm trying to think of it like smoking, we dont buy cigarettes to make money, its for the enjoyment factor ( possible addiction not withstanding!) As long as it didnt cripple my wallet, I would do it at a loss...

P.s I cant find any way to contact diamond, anyone got a phone number or something?

Also, from your experiences, whats an average amount of an issue that would sell? if you had good distribution ( I'm a total noob in this area, feel free to sneer down your noses!)

Thanks.
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Postby Laocorn on Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:41 pm

"G&G will take 25% also, leaving you 50%."

- Which is basically what it costs us to print, give or take with some exceptions. and on this basis would be the same as say sellign direct to kings except with a longer period for payment as well as more hassle and cost.

Talking to an associate, his ideal would be the original cost of the book to print should be only 20% of the final cover price. Where the final cost for say a $2 to print book would be $10.00, and who would buy an australian comic in a newsagent for $10.00 ?

Of cause in a market where american comics are around $5.00 and it costs $2-3 to print it here, this a royal arse kicking.

Dean, it sounds like you've got an idea in mind?
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Postby BMB on Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:51 pm

""Talking to an associate, his ideal would be the original cost of the book to print should be only 20% of the final cover price. Where the final cost for say a $2 to print book would be $10.00, and who would buy an australian comic in a newsagent for $10.00 ?""

I received a quote today ( this is a little away from distribution, please forgive)

3000x 60pages(interior) plus cover, a4 format, ( I love the bigger size.....) 90gsm paper (basic 2 colour cover, but it suits my needs) for $7200.

thats $2.40 a pop, but $10.00 ( or to make it less scary, $9.95) doesent seem as expensive when your getting double the content....I think, like I said, I'm inexperienced, feel free to point out the flaws!
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Postby jpaulos on Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:06 pm

If I were you I'd do your sums based on 15% sales.
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Postby Daren White on Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:10 pm

I was going to say 25%, but that's not based upon experience ;)

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Postby jpaulos on Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:18 pm

Neither is mine. I just think a new book by new creators on Australian newstands will sell between 10 and 15%.
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Postby Laocorn on Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:21 pm

"Neither is mine. I just think a new book by new creators on Australian newstands will sell between 10 and 15%."

Just a thought I had to day, why think just locally when we can go.... inter-locally, I mean internationally.

How are magazines distributed internationally to say Europe? Or is that one of those Diamond dominated monolopies.
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Postby Egofreaky on Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:59 pm

BMB: Can I grab a copy of that email from G&G as well, out of interest. I'd like to see if anything's changed in 2 years.
Also, if you'd like the details of my printer, I think he can get you a better deal than that, because 180K pages for $7200 sounds expensive to me if it's B&W on regular 80gsm paper.
OzTAKU's latest issue which is 220 pages with a CMYK gloss cover (210gsm artboard) only cost about $5.20 per copy, and that included delivery and shrinkwrap.
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Postby BMB on Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:38 am

Yes Egofreaky I would like your printers details please, I've just been calling the guys closest to me, also give me your e-mail and I'll sent the G&G thingy, but its not much really.....
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Postby azahru on Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:05 am

what size print run was that ego freaky?
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Postby Egofreaky on Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:44 am

Azahru: 1000 copies with a 10% over/under, although it's always over
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